Episode summary: Critic and music journalist Liz Pelly joins us for a fascinating interview about why the Spotify model is so bad for musicians and what that might mean for podcasters. Liz is a veteran of the DIY music community as a former member of the Silent Barn collective in Brooklyn, and a stalwart of independent journalism with her own publication The Media, and pieces published Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, and the New York Times.
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